The Aliens in Genesis

Goo: . So what does Genesis in the Bible tells us about the creation of man?
Erasmus: .
18 And the Lord God said: It is not good for man to be alone: let us make him a help like unto himself.
20 And Adam called all the beasts by their names, and all the fowls of the air, and all the cattle of the field: but for Adam there was not found a helper like himself.
21 Then the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon Adam: and when he was fast asleep, he took one of his ribs, and filled up flesh for it.
22 And the Lord God built the rib which he took from Adam into a woman: and brought her to Adam.
23 And Adam said: This now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man.
24 Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh.

Kinkajou:. What draws my attention is the taking of the rib from Adam and creating a woman. How would you interpret this, old dog?
Erasmus: . In children, haematopoiesis takes place in the long bones, like the thighbone (femur). In adults, it’s mostly in the spine (vertebrae) and hips, ribs, skull and breastbone (sternum). Doctors today taking a bone marrow biopsy would most likely take the sample from the back of your hip (the iliac crest). While the crest of the pelvic bone (i.e. iliac bone) is the most common site from marrow biopsy, a doctor might use other bones, of course. For example, ,in a child - a leg bone or a bone in the spine (vertebra) could be used.

The steps of a bone marrow biopsy are usually as follows: Before the biopsy, the person under examination changes into a gown. The healthcare provider will ask them to lie on their side or stomach. They receive an anaesthetic-, deeper levels for more invasive sampling areas such as ribs or sternum.

Bone Marrow Biopsy Procedure

Dr Xxxxx: . The Rib segment resection at surgery provides adequate amounts of bone marrow for the detection of isolated tumour cells while bone marrow aspirate from the iliac crest often does not. The iliac crest biopsy (a different technique), according to the Jamshidi protocol procures a core of tissue adequate for histology and not simply for cytology.

This experience with rib biopsy leads to the firm conclusion that it is in every way a more satisfactory procedure than sternal trephine in the study of the more obscure haematological disorders.

While general anaesthesia is not imperative, it is to be recommended.
So, it is possible to take bone marrow tissue for stem cell isolation from a rib. It’s not how we do it today. But we must remember that the “first” humans on the planet have different lifespans to human beings today. It is possible that the longevity they experienced did alter bone marrow distribution within the body. So, while taking bone marrow from rib is not the preferred technique today, it has been used relatively recently in medicine and is a viable choice for a technique to obtain stem cells.

Goo: . What else has been discussed about this process? I have heard that there may be an alternate interpretation from other scholars. Maybe we are getting two focused on the word “ rib”. I have heard that other scholars have suggested that the word rib is not actually relate to a rib as in a bone on the chest wall of a human being.
Kinkajou:. Yes you are correct. Sumerologist Noah Kramer pointed out that in the tale of fashioning Eve out of Adam’s rib, the Hebrew translator must have taken the Sumerian word Ti to mean “ rib”. However a similarly pronounced word Ti in Sumerian meant “life” . This may suggest that what was done was to take that which is “life” – and DNA – from Adam and to manipulate the sample to obtain chromosomal material sufficient to create a human female.

Perhaps it was not actually a rib that the sample was taken from. Perhaps the focus was that life (DNA) was taken and no mention was even made of whereabouts on the body or by what procedure the sample was taken – perhaps there being no word for many of these processes in the ancient Hebrew or Sumerian languages. There may not be an ancient Hebrew word for Iliac Crest.

Dr Xxxxx: . The most basic conclusion still remains if you are looking at this description from the point of view of a man of this century , would be to say that the deep sleep which was cast upon Adam was equivalent to an anaesthetic.

Removal of the rib is equivalent to a bone marrow biopsy aiming to collect a high quantity of cells and especially stem cells. Removing “life” from Adam – a.k.a. stem cells from whatever part of the body is practicable for the medicine of the time, still suggests that some procedure has occurred. Whether it is actually a rib that has been removed or life that has been removed – the story suggests that marrow sampling has occurred.

Erasmus: . I think we also need to remember the Sumerian civilisation existed for over several thousand years. Pictographic languages are capable of migration of accepted meaning.

If everyone accepts a specific symbol means a specific thing that is what it means. However if everyone changes what they agree a specific sign means to say, then it can mean something else.

In short interpretations can drift with time. And there are often no dictionaries in which to look up pictographic symbols and their meanings spanning the 3000 years of the Sumerian civilisation. Archaeologists were lucky to find a single tablet referencing Sumerian words with more recent languages such as Assyrian which enabled them to begin the process of decrypting the Sumerian language.

Sumerian Writing

This means that a word such as “rib” in the English language may not actually describe a rib in the Sumerian language. There is likely to be no word for DNA, surgical procedure, resection, biopsy, to trephine, anaesthetic in the Sumerian language.

And pictograms may vary in interpretation from city to city within the land of Sumer. What everyone may agree on is the meaning of a pictogram in one area, may not be the meaning of the same pictogram in another area.

Like we have mentioned before, the Bible and many texts of this area are written by simple rustic people with a relatively low vocabulary compared to modern era human beings. And if the word meanings are passed down by a verbal tradition, there is a capacity for a huge shift in meaning in pictographs, particularly over say 3000 years.

Erasmus: . A good example of meaning drift in verbal information is the classical description of the war message: sent by messenger:
“Send reinforcements. We’re going to advance”.
Kinkajou:. Which becomes information shifted to?
Erasmus: . “Send reinforcements. We’re going to a dance.”

Goo: . Yes there certainly is some scope for trying to interpret what the ancient authors meant by the use of the word rib. However it is certain that DNA was taken by surgical procedure. DNA from somatic cells (probably stem cells) was manipulated to enable the creation of an embryo long before Adam grew up and would have been able to cause a pregnancy in the natural fashion.

Goo: . There is also the issue of why they needed to be in such a hurry to create a partner for Adam. Local women exist on the planet. One option would have been to wait until Adam grows up and then to obtain semen samples to assess the result of a natural pregnancy between Adam and another female. Why the hurry?
Kinkajou:. Obviously, it was important to get answers quickly rather than to wait 14 years for Adam to develop. Then you would have had to wait even longer (perhaps another 15 years) for the baby to grow up to become a young fertile adult.

I believe from the descriptions that There was no obvious concern with the development of children into “new humans”. The issue appeared to be simply with fertility. And you would need fertile adult humans of similar age to assess the fertility. In short Adam needed a partner – Eve who was of the same age and was compatible enough to achieve a pregnancy and carry a foetus to term – a baby. It just wouldn’t work to have Adam at 40 partnering with a 15-year-old girl to assess fertility. You need to have both partners at the same age and as soon as possible to get an answer as soon as possible.

Erasmus: . There definitely are some other unusual aspects to the situation. The events described suggest that some type of genetic manipulation has occurred to the parents/grandparents (of Adam and Eve- the Angels), and that there was a need to know what the outcome of changes made by the angels was.

• In making the “first man” and the “first woman”, have they achieved whatever they thought was necessary in the creation of this “first”?
• Have they achieved whatever purpose they thought differentiated the “first” humans from their parents – the angels?
• Has the manipulation been successful or has it failed?
• Have the non-– desired traits been removed?
• Have the desirable traits been retained?

To my knowledge all the angels were men. They are capable of taking earthly wives and having children which means they are part of the same species as humanity. The question then becomes why the urgency of providing a female whose X chromosome is derived from !dam !dam as a male would have been quite capable of impregnating any human female but he has been subjected to a surgical procedure to create a “female version of himself”.

The act of creating a woman for !dam, suggests there is a need to know something about the structure of !dam’s X chromosome. To me these events imply that there has been some sort of change or manipulation of the DNA material of the X chromosome in !dam’s parents.

!dam and Eve

Kinkajou:. WTF?
Erasmus: . It suggests that time is important. An answer needs to be provided as to the status of !dam’s X chromosome. It suggests that God and the angels did not choose to wait for !dam to become older. They wanted this answer immediately.

Human Chromosomes

Goo: . Yes there are certainly some unusual events occurring. I think the obvious conclusion is that these events do not match the technology and knowledge of the people of this time.

It would be reasonable to assume that what is being undertaken in terms of biological chromosomal manipulation is thought to be essential and necessary and important. It would be reasonable to assume that this worldview is not locally derived. It suggests that the questions being answered have an extra-terrestrial origin and perhaps even that the humans (the Angels) may have had an extra-terrestrial link.

If you are living on this planet and have been interbreeding with the locals, you have exactly the same genetic DNA structure and chromosomes as the locals. If the path of your life has gone elsewhere – such as perhaps to another planet in another solar system for a considerable period of time, it is conceivable changes were produced to the genetic structure of the exported human beings, creating a divergence with the genetic structure of the earth local human beings.

The Question is what was done and why did it need to be done?

Kinkajou:. Next ! Keep Going. These are interesting discussions but I think we have introduced enough uncertainty already in the interpretation of events. Using biology as a focal point provides a very different answer from just reading the words.
Erasmus: . Are there any other ancient texts that relate to the same events?
Kinkajou:. Next Page : the Sumerian Version
The Epic of Atrahasis also describes the fashioning of the primitive worker: obtaining the blood of a God- his Te’ema (personality or life essence), mixing it with “Ti-it” ( a word meaning clay in the Akhastra language but which in Sumerian is more equivalent to ‘essence of the living being’.

It may suggest some difficulty in this process, (? Flaws in the humans beings created e.g. missing limbs or malformed organs).

In addition Epic of Atrahasis gives another Mesopotamian version describing the great Flood with Atrahasis in the role of Noah. It appeared to derive historically from about the 17th century BC. There are several versions generally mirroring the story of the great Flood in the Bible, but with perspectives from local people added.

Goo: . Now let’s talk about the fall of man.
Erasmus: . From the Bible we have:
25 And they were both naked: to wit, !dam and his wife: and were not ashamed.

And the woman saw that the tree was good to eat, and fair to the eyes, and delightful to behold: and she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave to her husband, who did eat.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened: and when they perceived themselves to be naked, they sewed together fig leaves, and made themselves aprons.

8 And when they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in paradise at the afternoon air, !dam and his wife hid themselves from the face of the Lord God, amidst the trees of paradise.
9 And the Lord God called !dam, and said to him: Where art thou?
10 And he said: I heard thy voice in paradise; and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself.
11 And he said to him: And who hath told thee that thou wast naked, but that thou hast eaten of the tree whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldst not eat?
12 And !dam said: The woman, whom thou gavest me to be my companion, gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13 And the Lord God said to the woman: Why hast thou done this? And she answered: The serpent deceived me, and I did eat.

21 And the Lord God made for !dam and his wife garments of skins, and clothed them.
22 And he said: Behold !dam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now therefore lest perhaps he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

24 And he cast out !dam: and placed before the paradise of pleasure Cherubims, and a flaming sword, turning every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Kinkajou:. There are a number of observations to make here. God is treated here like a real person. Someone you can talk to. Someone you can ask questions of. Someone you can relate to.

Later in the Bible God becomes a lot more superior and distant but not here. In the early Bible, God is real. He is walking in the garden.

God is also not all-powerful or all knowing. Things have happened here – namely !dam and Eve partaking of the fruit of knowledge without God realizing this has happened.
As you read further into the Bible post -Genesis, The term “ask God” is almost a kin to the term in our era of – well just “Google” it. God is extensively knowing, but it is not perfect. He is not a witness to every event, just to many. Events can and do occur out of God’s sight , probably with the complicity of humans/angels.

Erasmus: . We need to remember at this point that !dam and Eve and the angels are living in a tightly demarcated piece of land (Eden) bounded by four rivers: the Tigris River, the Euphrates, the Phison and Gehon. The angels are all men.

I think this story suggests sexual awakening. !dam / Eve have left behind a childlike state of no sexual awareness and appear to have experienced sex in some form, hence the awareness of “nakedness”.

Rivers : Tigris and Euphrates and Delta

To realise you are naked is to realise that your genitals are visible and that other people may be interested in them. And they would only be interested in them in a sexual way.

To be childlike is to have little or no awareness of sexuality and hence no interest in genitals. Small children quite happily run around naked because their physical nature is what is, and there is no reason for them to be particularly interested fascinated by these parts of the body. The children would only be aware that these parts of the body are used to eliminate urine only.

The problem as I see it for God and the angels is that:
They do not wish to risk Eve becoming pregnant to anyone except !dam (sexual awareness is a big problematic issue for God and his archangels).

This suggests that there must be a reason for such an attitude. If there are NO consequences to a pregnancy between Eve and others, why worry about such an event possibly happening. (!dam’s sexual awareness obviously postdates this development in Eve as, as he has not become aware of his nakedness until later).

Another issue is that perhaps they do not wish to risk the leakage of technological knowledge or perhaps knowledge of the world at large, upon pain of death. (The tree of Knowledge). There may be some things that are best lost forgotten. The history of the angels before they arrived here and the knowledge of events in the wider galaxy is certainly not necessarily beneficial knowledge for humankind to have.

Something very significant is happening here at a number of levels. As we mentioned before will explore this through the avenue of biology in following webpages. Considering biology creates some unusual perspectives and understanding.

Kinkajou:. The presence of cherubim and a flaming sword also suggest the presence of weapons even if only used to dissuade a return to Eden.
Goo: . The actions occurring in this chapter of the story suggests a larger context to what is going on. Sexuality and pregnancy risk must be managed. Knowledge of the world at large must be managed. Eden’s borders must be enforced with strange technologies.

The obvious conclusion is that these events do not match the technology ,knowledge and capabilities of the people of this time.