Contactees and Abductees 3

Goo: . Now let’s talk about human abductions.

Kinkajou:. A number of investigators specialise in contactees because they provided a unique opportunity to learn about the ET’s and their possible agendas.

Some investigators have suggested that they have rarely come across a victim who has been abducted in childhood and never abducted again. Once a person is abducted, it tends to occur throughout the victim’s life. Impregnations if they occurred were conducted with the insertion of needles through the Navel.

Erasmus: . This seems an injurious and primitive process. If you are really going to the trouble of trying to create a pregnancy, you really need to minimise the damage to the animal being used to carry the pregnancy. It is far easier to turkey-baste a female to create a pregnancy with less likelihood of injury than to use a surgical technique to create a pregnancy.

There were suggestions that the foetuses were removed at three months. But again this seems to be a clumsy technique. In the process of extracting a foetus from pregnant mother, the probability of injury is exceptionally high. The loss and damage rate to foetuses which would need to be attached to some sort of gestation or support mechanism, would be high.

The only thing that makes sense with this scenario is if they really just want cellular tissue for study.

Goo: . It would be far easier to simply mark likely females, sedate and impregnate and then harvest the children late to term.
Erasmus: . Certainly. It would appear to me that the intention is to again create fear rather than wholly and solely to conduct an investigation or an assessment with minimal chance of being observed or noticed by the local native population.

Kinkajou:. One contactee/abductee reports one of her captors holding a baby a few days old. In looking at the baby, the woman noticed that the child seemed to have human and alien features. Normally she felt the appearance would have been repellent to her, but instead she was overcome with maternal feelings. She reported feeling like a new mother being shown her child for the first time. The aliens watched as she cuddled the child.

Baby

Erasmus: . Sounds like just testing out a new narcotic derivative with perhaps some oxytocin or other hormonal “love” action.

Kinkajou:. You are a cynical bugger, aren’t you. But I agree, to me it seems to be a better explanation of events. The event is not about road testing human love for a FLK – funny looking kid. It’s about testing a new drug. Not something you would report to your contactees. The truth is likely to come back and bite you if you are too honest and open. Tell them nothing and let them think that the feeling of love is natural and due to telepathy.

Erasmus: . Now who’s the cynical one.

Kinkajou:. Another woman was told she was pregnant with a baby “sent” by aliens. She was told the child would grow up to spread the word of their presence.

Erasmus: . I think we’re still waiting. Far more likely the aliens are trying to get the woman to make a fool of herself and to discount her testimony of the events she has witnessed. I don’t think there has been any evidence of an agenda by children of the “stars” spreading the word of the alien presence.

I would repeat an earlier statement. If we and they are capable of having children together – according to biological definitions , we are the same species. We are both human. Perhaps we have some small genetic differences between us. But our similarities far far far outweigh these. Hence we are inter- fertile and are able to have children together.

I repeat we are of the same species. It is unlikely there is such a thing as a human alien hybrid. It is far more likely there is just a human from here- having a baby - with the human from there.

Goo: . Sort of like a white person marrying a black person.
Dr Axxxx: .  Yes. I suppose. Sort of. Once upon a time all sorts of people would have wondered what the outcome of such a thing would be. The intermingling of a civilized person and a savage.

Good gracious. all civilised people would have wondered about the outcome.

Erasmus: . The greater experience of biology and the growth of communication has perhaps forced us to realise that human people on this planet – are all just human people. But people can have small but important differences – such as the genes controlling thought and personality. Such genes can have a profound effect on the growth and development of civilisation. These genes are not colour or race related.

Goo: . If you had had this discussion with people even 100 years ago, it is unlikely that they would accept that there really is not much genetic difference between a white person, Asian person or a black person. It does suggest some very “in-house” concepts of innate superiority.

Erasmus: . Still, the biology definition overcomes it all. If we can have children together – we are the same species.

Goo: . And if there has apparently been a mingling of extra-terrestrial and terrestrial human DNA in the making of the child, it’s also good way of explaining why you may have a FLK- or funny looking kid as your child.

Kinkajou:. One abductee in Argentina in 1972 was subjected to a flash of light. Trees and a cat near him were also similarly “attacked”. He subsequently developed diarrhoea for about eight days, hair loss, red itchy pustules on the back of his neck from about Day 14, difficulties with speaking and in moving his tongue. The cat was found one and a half months later with scorch marks on her back. The tops of many of the eucalypt trees surrounding the site were scorched or completely burnt.

Now here’s where it gets interesting. In the long term he made a remarkable recovery for a 73-year-old man, regaining strength to the extent that he could lift heavy weights that previously would not have been possible for him to do.
Two months after the initial event he subsequently reported another alien visit where a great deal of information and imagery was imparted to him as a witness.

They made some unusual claims. The metal of which a spaceship is made is a mineral unknown to you, which, once it has been moulded in the shape of a spacecraft, is indestructible, cannot be melted down again, and can be projected through space in the form of “energy”. The energies of these craft are electromagnetic, and are obtained from the atmosphere of each planet. The man was subsequently able to talk to investigators about philosophical, theological and astronomical concepts well beyond his comprehension.

Erasmus: . A very interesting sequence of events. My guess is that the initial flash of light provided some heating effects on the body which may well have removed terrestrial illnesses with which the poor fellow was affected. (Paill for example). Many parasites are very heat sensitive. So although they zapped him and caused short-term problems, in the long term he seems to have become physically much better off.

Dr Xxxxx: . At least for a little while anyway. If you understand Paill Spectrum, you understand that the organisms are relentless. You can have a temporary win, but unless you continue treatment, in the long run the organisms will undo any good you may have obtained from a one-off treatment event.
Kinkajou:. Of course he may not have been fully conscious for the entire experience. That would be closer to my guess. The aliens zapped him with some type of radiation, For example- microwave radiation and this affecting his bone marrow and immune system. The aliens felt guilty and while the victim was unconscious administered perhaps some “medication”, unbeknownst to the victim. Subsequently they returned, and gave him a bogus message to obfuscate events.

Maybe there was an implant sending subliminal information.

Beam Weapon on Satellite : USA : Star Wars Program

Erasmus: . Zapping someone with a microwave beam would cause burns wherever the beam struck, the air in effect becoming a hot high resistance conductor. You would get electrical burns and you would get heat burns. Radio waves are much more penetrative and cook very effectively. If it were not for the fact that radio waves penetrate too much too easily, we could very possibly have radio ovens rather than microwave ovens.

Ultrasound waves also carry a great deal of energy and generate shear waves or heat at interfaces. However air is a very poor ultrasound energy transmission agent. We normally use a coupling agent such as a gel to enable the transmission of ultrasound waves into a human body for treatment.

Ultrasound is difficult to use as a “beam “weapon , difficult to direct and has substantial energy losses with transmission over distance.

Dr Xxxxx: . So going back to the fellow who experienced the flash of light. It looks like he was hit with some sort of radiation – a combination of radio waves and microwaves which caused marrow damage. That would probably make more sense. The initial “zap” was a mistake.

They made up for this mistake with some emergency first aid on-site. It would almost seem that they were monitoring the fellow for a while –? An implant or? A simple video camera planted in the trees. Their aim would have been to make their actions seem much more innocuous and less dangerous. Also to discredit the witness of “violent” events initiated by the them (the aliens.)

Erasmus: . Indestructible is a word that probably does not belong with physical matter. Any physical matter can be manipulated as long as enough energy is applied. It is nonsensical to claim that a metal cannot be melted down again. What happens if you put it in the sun? If not in the depths of the sun at say 5,000 degrees kelvin , then in the corona of the sun at 1-2 million degrees Kelvin. Human beings are quite capable of creating temperatures of several thousand degrees in industrial processes.

It is however possible that maybe you cannot melt the metal down because the process is dangerous. For example if you melt beryllium or a derivative alloy, it may break down with emission of beryllium particles. These are quite dangerous to humans causing something called beryllium disease – affecting the lungs of exposed people. Beryllium is exceptionally light and probably an excellent material for building spaceship shells. It has a melting point approximately 1300°C and a boiling point of approximately 2500°C. It does not occur free in nature. It is typically found in Beryl or emeralds – minerals which have been well known to humanity for a long long time.

Goo: . Further comments on the tech?

Erasmus: . Well if the aircraft is propelled by electromagnetic fields obtained from the atmosphere of the planet – how would they intend to travel on a planet without a magnetic field. Our planet Earth has a molten iron core which is the basis for its electromagnetic field. But there are many planets in the solar system which do not have such a field.

Goo: . So it doesn’t make sense to have a craft like this, because there are so many planets in the solar system to which the craft could not go. Why build something so specialised, when in exploration something much more general-purpose would be of much more use.

Kinkajou:. Correct.
And we mustn’t forget the message from these our space brothers. We’re visiting you because you’re causing atomic explosions which are having a great effect on the sun, which may suffer damage as a result.

Erasmus: . . An interesting statement. I think made to discredit any witness giving it. The sun is essentially one huge massive nuclear explosion. Atomic nuclei are fusing an incredible rate throughout it. So human beings triggering a spark on planet Earth are unlikely to make much difference to how the sun functions.

Also, there is no obvious mechanism why anything which happens here should cause any changes to an object such as the Sun which is 93 million km away. Similarly nuclear explosions are exceptionally rare. Yes there have been some tests done , notably by the USA and the USSR. However, this process does not occur repeatedly or regularly.

Sending a nuke into the sun from earth would be invisible, a matchstick of energy against a massive endless burning conflagration. Solar flares, among the solar system's mightiest eruptions, are tremendous explosions in the atmosphere of the Sun capable of releasing as much energy as a billion megatons of TNT.
Goo: . So like you said, it looks like they came back to discredit the witness, to hide their use of a damaging weapon and again to create that impression of “superiority”.
To their credit though, at least they came back and tried to help the victim of their “Flash weapon”.
Kinkajou:. . One abductee was subjected to some hypnotic based questioning.
“What right had they to abduct people?”, He asked.
They replied: “We have every right to do this. You do not understand the nature of things.”

Kinkajou:. A UFOlogist in Brazil reports that two aliens were captured following the crash , (Varginha incident). They were taken to a local hospital but subsequently died, (? From their injuries). Apparently a US air plane removed the bodies back to the US for further investigation. The implication is that the local Brazil authorities cooperated with the US in the investigation of the matter in return for – consideration or favours.

There were other reports of attacks of alone and isolated humans along the Amazon River. They would see a ball of light move towards them – receive an electric shock – and then sleep for several hours. When they awoke, they would find several small scars on their bodies. It appeared that the aliens were collecting tissue samples.

Dr Xxxxx: . Fits with the theory of Paill Spectrum and its related illnesses. Assessment of effects and looking to do more?

Kinkajou:. Investigations into abductees revealed that many are traumatised by recurrent abductions and suicides are common.

Goo: . What about the historical evidence of abductions.?

Kinkajou:. Some witnesses have stated in the past that modern day aliens have been using humans to improve their genetic stock. They were frequently suspected of stealing human children and of leaving in their place sickly fairy babies known as changelings. Fairies do not travel in spacecraft. The witnesses are glimpsed floating in balls of flight around twilight sky. Hapless humans who fell into the fairies’ spell, often return weeks or years later thinking that had been away for only a few months. There is the traditional image of fairies living in toadstools.

Erasmus: . The gills on the underside of mushrooms perhaps resemble propulsion systems of some UFOs.
The distorted sense of time suggests some degree of hallucination and sedation while undergoing their abduction experience.

Kinkajou:. Certainly the experience of some abductees of awaking in exactly the same positions and in the same places as at the beginning of the experience would suggest sedation and loss of consciousness. The reason you wake up to 3 hours later in exactly the same place is that that is where you collapsed when you were drugged and that is your last memory. You did not move or adjust your position because you ere totally incapable of doing so. Paralytic- so to speak.

Erasmus: . Makes an easy sort of sense. It suggests that the techniques used by aliens can’t completely erase memory while leaving the brain intact and functioning.

Some drugs such as the benzodiazepines are well known for causing retrograde amnesia. But the effect is not fully reliable. It works for most people but not perfectly for everyone. We use this type of medication a lot in surgical anaesthesia.

People can be awake enough to walk and talk, but still not be remembering. This is the reason why you have people take you home after surgery. Yes you can be walking talking and reacting. But at some point you wake up and have no idea how you got to where you are right now.

Dr Xxxxx: . What has happened is that You have just regained your conscious memory. Previously while walking and talking, you were not consciously remembering. This is a fairly standard drug effect and well known by doctors.

Goo: . That brings the next point. It is possible that some people may never know they have been taken by aliens – except that they may have an irrational fear of a particular place or a particular road or a particular situation.

Kinkajou:. Yes the modus operandi of abduction is stealth and generally the abductees afterwards are disoriented, lost and totally confused at the end of it.
There was one contactee - a Welshman who left behind the cattle he was tending and returned three weeks later, thinking he had been gone only three hours. In this period he reported being surrounded by little people who mesmerised him with their dancing and singing.

Erasmus: . This is certainly an improvement over the average experience of human abduction by the “Greys”. Nothing pleasant about these abductions. At least this bloke had good times and good memories.

Dr Xxxxx: . Good hallucinations anyway. Maybe they showed him a repeating fairy movie while they had him imprisoned and abducted.

Kinkajou:. There are certainly perspective that there is a cultural bias to what abductees’ witness. For example, in the 1950s flashing lights and dials and cumbersome whirling counter type displays were commonly reported. Today’s abductees are more likely to mention lasers and holograms.

Goo: . These have appeared only since we have invented them – so subsequently recognised them. So perhaps they were always there but we just did not “see” them because we did not understand what we could or should have been seeing.

Kinkajou:. There is also the observation that UFO reports tend to be a “Western” phenomenon. Reports commonly arise from the UK or the US and even South America. But very few reports seem to arise from the Soviet Union, India or China.

Erasmus: . . This may just be a side effect of the prevalence of communication technology. If you live in an Indian town, how can you tell the world about your experience. Your home may have no windows and may have a dirt floor. Electricity is known but not necessarily ubiquitous.

The standard of living for many people is very basic. You need technology to communicate and you need a government system that allows people to communicate without censure or ridicule.

This phenomenon is known as cultural tracking and is often used by sceptics to disregard the evidence of witnesses of UFO encounters.

Goo: . So if there are abductions and the aliens are returning to the people abducted, there must be some method of tracking them?

Erasmus: . Yes. Implants.

Alien Implant:

Looks like something out of 'The Matrix'
Kinkajou:. Dr Roger Leir was the first doctor to surgically remove an alien implant in operation in August 1995. He has subsequently operated on a total of eight people and has removed nine objects. Five of the objects were coated with the dark grey shiny membrane that was impossible to cut through, even with a new surgical blade.

People would react violently if the object was touched and often suffered pain in that area for the week after the implant was surgically removed. It was noted from associated biopsies that the tissue around implants contained a lot of “proprioceptors”.

The implants were noted to fluoresce under UV – usually green but there could be other colours. It was noticed that the implants gave off some type of pink stain that was suggested to be necessary to prevent rejection.
Isotope ratios in the implants showed clearly that they were not of earthly manufacture. The ratios did not match the frequency of isotopes in “terrestrially” sourced materials.

Erasmus: . Isotope ratios are inherent in the information contained within the periodic table. They effectively label something as coming from “this planet”.

Kinkajou:. I’ve just had an idea. Perhaps the implants were transponders or locating devices or work to change behaviour by compelling their owners to do specific things. Alternately perhaps they were placed to detect chemical changes secondary to pollution or to genetic changes.

Obviously they were used where it was necessary to monitor “closely”.

Dr Axxxx: .  Investigators of ET contact experiences have suggested this range of purposes for implants:
continued biological feedback – monitoring
tracking (signal generation)
biological experimentation
control functions

Kinkajou:. There has been some suggestion that removal of the implants from the body’s own and characteristic “electric field” caused a change in the implant resulting in its destruction.

Erasmus: . Well that would certainly seem to be a necessary security feature. However it would be extremely difficult to deconstruct electronic micro-circuitry in an effective fashion. And remember that the purpose of the operation of the implant could be comprehensively coded into minute quantities of “USB flash type memory”.

Recovery of this type of information would require knowledge of the coding system. Not something that we are likely to be able to solve from the outside without knowing the specific keys to access the information.

Crop Circles
80% of Crop Circles are likely Human Made.

Goo: . Let’s talk about crop circles.

Erasmus: . There are several theories as to how a crop circle could be created.
The downdraught of descending helicopter is an obvious suspect. However, this would not create the distinctive swirl pattern.

Another explanation is the existence of a wind vortex or mini tornado. But why localised to a specific locale with no linear movement?

Hoaxes are often obvious with the circle edges being rough, the straw is broken and the swirl pattern simple.

Another method of creating a hoax is to drive a stake into the ground and to attach one end to a rope. The hoaxers would walk around in ever larger circles releasing the rope little by little, their feet simply flattening the crop.

Goo: . You would think that you would see the effect of the feet they wouldn’t you?

Erasmus: . There seems to be no obvious reason to the creation of crop circles by UFOs. Circular polarisation of gravity would create lines of flattened crops spreading radially outward from the central point, not swirls.

But if they are really harvesting small mammals such as mice for similar scientific investigation as for larger mammals, it would be unlikely that any human would ever notice the evidence of the “small mammal” abduction. If they threw them out even a few hundred metres away after finishing their procedure, it is unlikely they would ever be seen or found.