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Contactees and Abductees 1

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Now let’s talk about the human experience with ETs.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. I believe there are three main types of experience that humanity has had with ET’s. The abductee experience. The contactees experience. And there is another group of people, perhaps best counted amongst the abductees, who do not actually realise that something has happened to them.

The aliens associated with the contactee experience are generally humanlike or in fact may be best described as actually “human”. Tall blonde Nordic type humans are the aliens often witnessed. Some are quite open in communicating whereas others tend to behave in a tentative or fugitive manner, as if they did not want to be seen on their forays gathering plant or animal specimens. Some display extreme caution even wearing breathing apparatus but the typical contactee experience involves direct “realms of normal” human to human interactions.

The aliens associated with the abductee experience and the group not realising they have been abducted, are more generally described as “Greys”. In their contact with us they tend to demonstrate their superiority. They operate as if they are here to stay. Their pervasiveness and modus operandi suggest that they have permanent bases here on earth and have had these for some time. The “Greys” seem more interested in our biology than our culture.

Dr Xxxxx: Dr Xxxxx. And that is exactly what you would expect if they are monitoring the effect of Paill spectrum and its related intervention agents.
Goo: Goo the Numbat. Of more concern is that they may be planning the release of a further intervention agent.

Dr Xxxxx: Dr Xxxxx. Yes. I personally believe that this may be an activity in process. I believe that there will be a new intervention agent, which I will call “DX”. And I think that the actions of the “Greys” who I believe are responsible for abductions suggest that they are working with this purpose. We’ll talk about this later on, on our site.

Erasmus: Erasmus. If they are still actively undertaking a new intervention – “DX”, it would explain why they still seem to be carrying on experiments on cattle, abductees, with hybridisation and impregnation and of a more sinister note - experiments on other mammals. After all, if you have been here for a long time, and you have no active intervention or action in process, why do you need to keep conducting experiments?

Goo: Goo the Numbat. It is the need to achieve that drives activity. If you are here only to watch, and your infrastructure is already set up (having had years to do this), then there is not much to do except sit and watch. But if you need to conduct active experiments as you would with a plan for a new intervention, then you need to be out and about.

Erasmus: Erasmus. . A very sobering thought.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. And if they are actively undertaking a new intervention, the fewer people who know about it the better. In fact, their commanders probably would best to not even tell their own staff their intentions. They prefer to mask their true purposes by spouting good intentions. But once the specimens have gone to a remote secure laboratory, where there can be no possibility of communicating to the general human population, that’s where the real purpose is known to a select few researchers and scientists.


Erasmus: Erasmus. Makes sense. Walk around telling everyone how good you are. If you didn’t have that smokescreen in action, every time you are seen, every time you undertake an action, instant antipathy has generated from the local population. And they probably outnumber you millions to one. And all the resources are local, whereas your resources are always hidden and remote. No matter how much of a technological advantage you may have, the locals have an insurmountable logistic advantage if they were to unite and decide to oppose your actions.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. I would imagine that most of the alien groups even the humanoid Nordic aliens would need bases to be able to operate on the planet. We see flying spaceships, but each spaceship needs a garage, each ship requires spare parts, the staff require life-sustaining and technology sustaining machinery, the staff require food and production facilities, and the entire operation requires a secure premises that is difficult for the locals to compromise. So, I would imagine that almost any alien group visiting the planet requires more than just a spaceship to operate from.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Unless it’s a really big one hiding behind the moon.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Well true. But even then a spaceship on the dark side of the moon will be on the sun exposed side of the moon away from the earth for two weeks out of every four of each lunar month. This will expose it to extreme radiation and heat issues. I imagine it would be far better and easier to dig out a cave on the dark side of the moon or on some moon or planet within our solar system to support secure operations on planet Earth.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. One contactee called Howard Menger describes a sequence of contacts spanning from 1932 into the 1950s. There is some doubt about his reporting of these experiences but it appears to investigators that at least some of the experiences are genuine – though perhaps not all.
He claimed one occasion to act as a barber for some of the male arrivals. However, all the evidence of the meetings was always carefully packed up by the space people before they departed.

Howard Menger Howard Menger

Interestingly, he also described the aliens as using lavatory facilities – which was similar to the ones on earth except the bowl was lower and the pedestal was made of a hard white translucent material not a ceramic. It is a detail which is easy to discard in our era. But remember plastics did not exist until following World War II. The earliest plastic was Bakelite. It is the sort of little detail which adds credibility to his witness statement.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Many Bakelite applications were discontinued in the 1940s because of certain disadvantages that soon became apparent.

Some vintage Bakelite telephones contained up to 5% amosite asbestos, which can become very dangerous if it is disturbed. All types of asbestos are dangerous if the fibres become airborne, as they can subsequently be inhaled and ingested. Bakelite was patented on December 7, 1909.

Because of its electrical nonconductivity and heat-resistant properties it became a great commercial success. It was used in electrical insulators, radio and telephone casings, and such diverse products as kitchenware, jewellery, pipe stems, children's toys, and firearms.
The creation of a synthetic plastic was revolutionary for the chemical industry, which at that time made most of its income from cloth dyes and explosives. The commercial success of Bakelite inspired the industry to pour money into developing other synthetic plastics. The range of Bakelite colours available included "clear, black, brown, red, yellow, green, grey, blue, and blends of two or more of these". Bakelite is manufactured in several forms to suit varying requirements.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Translucent white plastics were probably more common in science fiction than in the average household. So, it is a claim which was ahead of its time – enough to give some of the descriptions a veneer of authenticity in spite of other more questionable aspects reported to be witnessed by Howard Menger.

Bakelite traditional and new
Bakelite traditional and new

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Howard Menger also reported the existence of an alien base. He describes it as being 110 miles from HighBridge in the Blue Mountains of Pennsylvania. “I see this huge slit in the mountain. It’s getting bigger and bigger. There was a section in the mountain – I would say 33 metres of the mountain with trees on it and everything opening up like a garage door – only opening out.

It was blinding me because I hadn’t been used to the light: I’d been there for an hour, with my camera, waiting for a UFO to come down. I couldn’t even take a picture, it’s so bright. I saw spaceships – at least three of them – in this cotton-picking mountain garage. And men walking round in shiny silver suits – tightfitting suits – walking around, doing maintenance and work .”

Manger thought the aliens were undertaking mining operations. Another writer suggested that aliens were mining beryllium, titanium and zirconium in the area around pine bush, New York.

Independent research has validated that such ores are found in that region (and elsewhere). All three ores are used in human nuclear engineering processes.

The Impression of the investigator regarding Howard Menger was that he was convincing when discussing some of his original claims, but that other times he had the impression that he was fantasising. Some of the evidence does suggest that he did indeed have encounters with apparent extra-terrestrials, some of which were observed by credible witnesses. And the investigators impression of the photographic and video film evidence was that some of it was genuine.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. So, what is the truth out of all of this?
Erasmus: Erasmus. Logistically, anybody operating at a distance from their main base of supply requires a base of operations. Strategically and tactically, such operations need to be undertaken in secret under camouflage.


I think the big question is not whether such bases may have existed in the world of the 1930s to the 1960s. I think the big question is how they have managed to evade discovery in the more crowded and more technological world of the 21st century. An infrared camera in the sky correlating with ground mapping would almost certainly reveal most bases. Activity generates heat which creates a fingerprint which would be hard to conceal.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. But not impossible to conceal though. If you simply use the principle of an “air conditioner” as a heat pump, you can maintain a cool environment up top, and dispose of waste heat deep into the ground. Still, it would require a whole layer of much more scientific planning to maintain concealment in a world of burgeoning technology.

Erasmus: Erasmus. True. I would imagine the average Yobbo (Australian slang for an un-cultured and an educated person), walking down the street can buy infrared vision equipment and telescopes with recording facilities readily on the Internet for a very low fee. Equipment which would enable long-range observation anywhere at any time.

The main impediment is of course laziness and for that sort of a person – finances. And with a little bit of thinking, electronic equipment can easily be shielded by a Faraday cage, effectively rendering the observation equipment invisible and undetectable through electronic RF field surveillance.



Kinkajou:Kinkajou. One famous contactee was Whitley Striber who was to become a well-known horror story writer. He reports an abduction experience whereby a needle is inserted into his brain; a cut was made to his forefinger and he was given a painful anal probe. Subsequently he had further experiences which were explored by hypnosis. He wrote a book eventually about his experiences, which was successful and profitable.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. The truth?
Kinkajou:Kinkajou. I would not even know where to begin.
Having said this, even though his commercial life was successful, the reports of the impact of the experiences on his private life are not good. And there are some independent witnesses of some of the events which occurred on that night and subsequently.

The truth?

If there is a truth, it is obvious the aliens do not want to tell it. And any human being who tries to tell a story faces ridicule, censure and embarrassment. In fact, the only way to tell the story, maybe to claim to be telling fiction when in fact you are telling truth.



Dr Xxxxx: Dr Xxxxx. I remember talking to one patient about a book that she had decided to write. I said if you want to write a book these days you need to have some interesting sex scenes written into the book. People expect these types of interactions almost routinely today. To do this well – you need to have had a number of these experiences in your life. “So, I said to the patient, “ Gloria, I did not think you are the sort of person to have had that sort of an interesting life”.

The woman replied that sadly that was true . She said that unfortunately she needed to do most of her research on these things in a library.

The obvious issue here is that you can write most comfortably and convincingly about things that you have personal experience with. The line between fact and fiction can become very blurred indeed where we are trying to tell a story, but trying to evade ridicule and censure for doing so.


Goo: Goo the Numbat. What about abductees and the breeding of children?

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. . One abductee woman reports being used for breeding purposes. Children were shown to her. She sensed that they hoped to learn how a mother feels love and tenderness. This was something they did not possess. They appeared not to know how to suckle a baby (or if they were capable of doing so), until the abductee woman demonstrated the technique.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Strangely enough there is actually an “observable” human parallel with these statements. Self ––Pres" personality type humans typically describe a low emotional connection to people around them. It is due to the presence of a low opioid sensitivity gene. This gives you low feelings of happiness and empathy. It means that you do not feel connected to children, to partners or to close friends, lovers or acquaintances.

It is actually a normal emotional response pattern which of course can be adversely emphasised through a life of “emotionally detached” experiences.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Yes. See our personality site for more information on the Self – Pres gene.

Erasmus: Erasmus. We believe the self-pres gene is one of the important advanced and power genes which have enabled our civilisation. It is the gene which allowed the New Zealand Maoris to be the only native people in the world to succeed in direct armed conflict with the Armed Forces of the British Empire. It is a common gene. It simply gives its possessor a lack of confidence in a good future outcome. This means you always plan for the worse and expect the worst.

And in the Maori conflict with the British, it meant that they thought carefully and extensively about the consequences of conflict and how it would likely occur – and planned to change the nature of that conflict to a format whereby the advantages lay more with the Maori themselves than with the British.
In short, standing still to be shot, simply guarantees that you will be shot. Best to take cover. The Maori developed what I think were the first use of entrenched fortifications in the world.

Maori V

But it is a gene which gives “detached maternity” and detached “love”.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. So, the report of this abductee woman is not necessarily really that unusual if you understand human personality. It could in fact be something which is quite normal under the circumstances depending on how people are raised and depending on experiences to which they are exposed.




Goo: Goo the Numbat. So, what about the feelings of telepathy and love which so many contactees and especially abductees experience?

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Many abductees have reported that communication with the aliens involved an element of telepathy and that there were intense feelings of warmth and love.

One contactee reports that communication was telepathic, but when he asked questions about anatomy, organs, and emotions or about the craft or propulsion: the answer was silence. That was it.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Almost sounds like the” telepathy” had a spiel- like a pre-recorded message and the aliens had no capacity to create a new message or answer questions.

Erasmus: Erasmus. If they actually wanted to answer questions - which it appears they do not.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. They commonly stress the motivation that “their major concern is that humanity is on the verge of discovering secrets of the atom.

Erasmus: Erasmus. . Pretty ridiculous. Atoms are easy. It is the subatomic constituents of matter that are difficult to understand.


Personally, I am very cynical about claims of telepathy and love. I think there is a much easier and simpler explanation for these reports.

One contactee reports the aliens told him “They preferred to exert their formidable powers of telepathy when influencing humanity, though on occasions they had interfered directly.
In addition, they reported that they were responsible for genetically upgrading the human race on two occasions in a distant past. They allege that some of our great spiritual leaders such as Jesus were genetically engineered by mechanism of artificial insemination in attempts to instill earth people with spiritual concepts.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Let’s look at some of these claims with some detachment.

Erasmus: Erasmus. In the 1960s, people use hallucinogenic drugs to achieve a sense of altered reality and to create a state of mind. Initiates believed they experiencing real contact with “God” or the spiritual "whole".

Feelings of warmth and love are commonly reported by people undergoing drug experiences. I would particularly imagine the combination of a narcotic and hallucinogenic as being particularly conducive to such an experience. Fentanyl is a narcotic of immense potency. 0.1 of a milligram ( equal to 100 µg) is capable of inducing significant effects. And it is not the most potent of the synthetic opioids, but it is among the most powerful of the commonly used opioids.

Hallucinogenics routinely work on the cannabinoid receptors. We do not routinely work with chemicals that address these receptors to any great extent in modern medicine, but this is beginning to change.

I would imagine anybody breathing in microgram quantities of a fentanyl like opioid and being co-exposed to a potent hallucinogenic such as LSD, would experience immense feelings of love, empathy, warmth and spiritual attachment.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Certainly, many abductees report experiencing strong sensations that something spiritual is happening during their contact with the “Greys”. The feeling of empathy is common amongst abductees. It creates an impression that the aliens should no longer be seen as nightmarish fiends ,intent on nefarious activities akin to rape.

They give the impression that they are sent as teachers, ambassadors of creation and the purpose of abduction is simply to get our attention.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. I can imagine operating without anaesthetic would not have many people volunteering for more surgery. The whole situation with the Grey aliens creating spirituality and empathy simply suggests an extreme knowledge of human pharmacology and physiology.

Better to dope these guys (abductees) up and give them a good experience than to give them bad memories. If they feel good, these humans will think that you’re doing good things. Whereas if you feel bad, human abductees will begin to think that something bad is happening to them and that the aliens are up to no good.

Erasmus: Erasmus. That is a very cynical view of human nature, that humans are driven by their experiences. Feel good and obviously good things are happening. Feel bad and obviously bad things are happening. Life is never that simple.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Yes but what else do you have to judge your interaction by. No other experience in your life is similar. You do not understand what the aliens are doing or what they are seeking. The only thing you can judge the interaction buying is your feeling of the experience.

Erasmus: Erasmus. A fair but simple assessment of the circumstances of abductee interaction.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Expose the humans to a few milligrams of a couple of specific drugs. And you have completely obfuscated the aliens’ purpose within the interaction.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. An Alternate experience is to feel a sense of ANOESIS during their abduction. This is a loss of normal independent actions or power of thought.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Pretty well exactly what you would expect high-dose narcotic hallucinogens or something similar to do. Depends on the dose mix.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. I have no problems with the description of the mechanics of creating the experience of love warmth and empathy. What worries me is what this tells us about the alien knowledge of human physiology and Pharmaco- chemistry. To do what we say they are doing implies immense knowledge and familiarity with humanity.

It validates the statement of extreme long-term familiarity with humankind. It validates the ability of the aliens involved to perhaps have initiated the Paill Spectrum intervention and related interventions in remote and even recent human history.

Erasmus: Erasmus. I think it is possible to change humanity in the distant past. If you identify a pool (tribe) of advanced humans or create a small tribe of neo-humans, it is likely that the advanced genes would spread across the entire planet, as selection favours the genes of “go”.

Unfortunately, the same intervention on a planet of 7 billion would probably achieve nothing. No matter how advanced the genes may be, it is unlikely they would ever make a significant impact on any significant part of the population of 7 billion. Whereas a tribe of 20 advanced specimens in a worldwide population of half a million and adding 10,000 years, would likely have a significant impact on the genetic constitution of the resulting human population.

The main problem I would have with much of what they are saying, is their obvious desire to impress the contactees now – today. What is certainly a reasonable claim 10,000 years ago, reveals a desire to mislead and represent in the world of today. The claim is just not credible in the circumstances that exist now, though of course is quite possible that it was credible 10,000 years ago.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. The next problem of course is why would they bother, 10,000 years ago?

What possible benefit would they obtain from traveling for dozens if not hundreds of years from their own world to our world, bearing the products of technological genetic research back to this world? (To develop this research, they would have had to come here, then export research materials to home and then come back – a lag time and commitment extending over hundreds of years and many lifetimes.) Don’t forget the cost in terms of money and time. Immense. For what purpose or benefit? Breeding competition?

Erasmus: Erasmus. Our own explanation is better and easier. They developed these technological genetic advances for their own benefit – the development of a human slave race, as loyal and cooperative as dogs are to us today. They lost control of their research when their citizens (the Angels our ancestors) – escaped from their world and returned to our world, engineering a method whereby the advanced genes they carried could be reintroduced into our population without any “genetic locks” which may have been built into their DNA.

Personally, I believe that if there was such an influence on the human population in the past, it is likely our ancestors engineered this effect without the acquiescence or cooperation of the aliens. The appearance of the great Deluge and the appearance of the Paill Spectrum family of interventions suggests that the actions of our ancestors met with violent repercussions from their alien masters.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Not a situation which shows their love, empathy or tolerance for us at all – you might say.

Erasmus: Erasmus. And if you ever wondered about historical evidence for aliens influence on this planet – consider the entwined serpents – the symbol of medicine. These have been used since Egyptian times. The only thing the symbol suggests to me is the entwining of double-stranded chromosomes – DNA.

Biblical Cadaceus - God , DNA and AngelsBiblical Caduceus - God , DNA and Angels


Goo: Goo the Numbat. Let’s talk about the structure of the human chromosome. That’s perhaps the first step in understanding how the aliens may alter human evolution – As They Say?

Erasmus: Erasmus. The Chromosomes of Humans and Chimpanzees Are Very Similar. The extent of sequence similarity between homologous genes in different species depends on the length of time that has elapsed since the two species last had a common ancestor, Point mutations changing the DNA / protein code of specific proteins at a predictable rate over time. The same principle applies to the larger scale changes in genome structure.

The human and chimpanzee genomes—with their 5-million-year history of separate evolution—are still nearly identical in overall organization. Not only do humans and chimpanzees appear to have essentially the same set of 30,000 genes, but these genes are arranged in nearly the same way along the chromosomes of the two species.


Goo: Goo the Numbat. So, again on the similarity of human and chimpanzee DNA.
Erasmus: Erasmus. The DNA sequence that can be directly compared between the human and chimpanzee genomes is almost 99 percent identical. When DNA insertions and deletions are taken into account, humans and chimps still share 96 percent of their sequence. At the protein level, 29 percent of genes code for identical amino sequences in chimps and humans.


Goo: Goo the Numbat. What genes are different between humans and chimps?
Erasmus: Erasmus. Humans and chimpanzees shared a common ancestor approximately 5-7 million years ago . The difference between the two genomes is actually not approximately 1%, but approximately 4%--comprising approximately 35 million single nucleotide differences and approximately 90 Mb of insertions and deletions.


Comparatively, the genetic difference between individual humans today is minuscule – about 0.1%, on average .

The only substantial exception is that human chromosome 2 arose by a fusion of two chromosomes that are separate in the chimpanzee, the gorilla, and the orang-utan. So, humans have 46 chromosomes, whilst chimpanzees and gorillas have 48.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Such fusion events are not extraordinary in evolutionary terms. Let’s look at the situation in the genetics of the horse.

Virtually all 500,000 of the world’s thoroughbred racehorses are descended from 28 ancestors, born in the 18th and 19th centuries. And up to 95% of male thoroughbreds can be traced back to just one stallion.

Horse Genetics
Horse Genetics


Thoroughbred horses were developed in 18th century in the UK. English mares were bred with Arabian and other stallions to create horses with great stamina for distance racing.

In assessing the genetic diversity of modern racing horses by comparing 13 microsatellite DNA loci – repeating sequences of DNA which vary in length – in 211 thoroughbreds and 117 other Shetland, Egyptian and Turkish horses, researchers found that the majority of the half million horse progeny alive today are descended from just 28 “founder” horses.

It was already known that just a handful of stallions (but many mares) were used to found the thoroughbred breed. But startlingly, the new research finds that, in 95% of modern racehorses, the Y-chromosome can be traced back to a single stallion – the Darley Arabian, born in 1700.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. So, using this example as a comparison, perhaps it is possible that the aliens are involved in human evolution. Let’s keep going.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. So, what can you tell us about the earliest humans?

Erasmus: Erasmus. Let’s look at the theories proposed by Zachariah Sitchin:
The Sumerian texts consistently called these earliest beings LU.LU, which also had the connotation of worker or servant. The Bible speaks of man as “The Adam”. In Genesis 1:26, for example, the Hebrew word for “man” is Adama. This is derived from the Hebrew words for blood (adamu) and red (adom), and thus means “the red blooded one”.

In the creation of women there is a reference to Eve in Genesis 2 as “a helper”. As I asked myself how could the woman “help”, the answer became clear. She was intended to relieve the toil, not of the Gods, but of the birth-Goddesses! As mentioned in chapter 1, the creation of Eve took place not from the man’s rib but from his essence - his DNA.

There is proposed to be rivalry between the gods with Enki acting against Enlil, who had seized the Black-headed Ones from Enki without his permission. The theory is that, although he had obtained some male workers by force, Enlil remained powerless to expand his newly acquired labour force to the required numbers. For that he required females.

Even if he had also seized some females (who were fewer in number and would have probably been secured inside Enki’s medical facilities), he needed the knowledge of Enki to carry out the cloning procedure.

Theories proposed by Zachariah Sitchin:
Thus, it was inevitable that Enlil should try to persuade Enki to come to Mesopotamia and grant him an independent genetic laboratory. Enki thus had the opportunity to plan a spiteful trick on Enlil. When he arrived in the eastern Eden, Enki brought with him the necessary equipment and medical staff, and oversaw the construction of a medical centre. Most importantly, he brought a female, or more likely two females, to set up the cloning operation.

When everything was prepared, Enki then suggested (as one would) that he carry out the first two operations to show Enlil how it was done. One male and one female embryo were then implanted into the two female LU.LUs. But little did Enlil realize that Enki had genetically altered these two embryos to give them full sexual awareness and reproductive capabilities! At this point we shall call these two individuals Adam and Eve.

When Adam and Eve began to grow up, they were as children sexually unaware, and would have played innocently in “the Garden”, which more accurately would have been a secure wing of the hospital facility. Then one day the sex genes kicked in (as they do) and the two pubescent children realized that they were naked, and clothed themselves to hide their embarrassment.

They then hid from the Lord God (Enlil) who was walking in the Garden “in the cool of the day” .

When Enlil saw Adam and Eve, he immediately realized the genetic trick which had been played on him. The conversations with the Serpent and with the Lord God, which are recorded in Genesis 3, are in my view attempts to impart some fictitious meaning to a text which was beyond the comprehension of those who wrote it.

Theories proposed by Zachariah Sitchin:
The Biblical editors reconstructed the basic plot to carry a symbolic meaning, and that required the treatment of Adam and Eve as husband” and “wife”, together with the insertion of a dialogue which never existed.

What was Enlil to do with Adam and Eve? Their ability to reproduce independently had totally removed the control which he had sought over the worker population. Furthermore, if they were allowed to partake of the fruit of the Tree of Immortality, he would soon have a huge population explosion on his hands.

This explains the very real danger that forced Enlil to expel Adam and Eve from their secure surroundings, into the wilderness where they should fend for themselves. Without the heart to murder the blameless pair, he took the most acceptable option of placing them in a hostile environment where they themselves might survive, but would hopefully never successfully master the unlearned art of independent childbirth.

Theories proposed by Zachariah Sitchin:
And in order to prevent unauthorized access to the medical facility and the Tree of Life, Enlil positioned there a “cherubim and a flaming sword" yet another Biblical reference to high technology. Sumerian depictions of the events in Eden suggest that the serpent-God was Enki himself, and that he was temporarily arrested for his unauthorized act.

As for Adam and Eve, the Bible states that they successfully mastered the practice of midwifery, but perhaps with some further Enkiite assistance, for Eve states that “with the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man”. The symbol of the Sumerian Goddess Ninharsag was the umbilical cutter, a reference that may reflect her assistance to Eve as well as her initial role in producing the LU.LU.

The Book of Jubilees relates that, after their expulsion from Eden, Adam and Eve returned to “the land of their creation” i.e. to Africa.

The rest, as they say, is history. The political bias of the Gods ensured that mankind received two conflicting accounts of the rights and wrongs of what happened in the Garden of Eden, depending on whether they learned of it from Enkiite or Enlilite sources. The Bible happens to be based on a text that blamed Enki for man’s loss of immortality - a fairly predictable line of criticism from an Enlilite source.



Kinkajou:Kinkajou. A complex theory with many assumptions. But there are common themes with how we think and how Zachariah Sitchin is thinking.

Adam and Eve were made using some procedure to modify their DNA. This seems definitely directed to creating the ability to bear normal children , and to give the Adam and the Eve the capacity to reproduce without restriction- of whatever sort. The Gods (our god/ other gods) definitely wanted to control /restrict the spread of the new humans for some reason. The gods evicted Adam and Eve and seemed to use technology to enforce the process. There were factions amongst the Gods : Enki vs Enlil ( aka God and the Angels vs Children of the Watchers) with different views on how to progress the human society of the time. Serious worries existed- about neo-humanity and its spread.
Dr Axxxx: Dr Axxxx.  Complex!

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Back to the aliens affecting or changing human evolution // human DNA. For Comparison, do we share DNA with bananas?

Banana vs Human Genetics Banana vs Human Genetics
Erasmus: Erasmus. Even bananas surprisingly still share about 60% of the same DNA as humans!

Goo: Goo the Numbat. What about the idea of having the Same Genes, Behaving Differently?

Erasmus: Erasmus. Although humans and chimps have many identical genes, they often use them in different ways. A gene's activity, or expression, can be turned up or down like the volume on a radio. So the same gene can be turned up high in humans, but very low in chimps.

The same genes are expressed in the same brain regions in human, chimp and gorilla, but in different amounts. Thousands of differences like these affect brain development and function, and help explain why the human brain is larger and smarter.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. How important can small gene differences be- to how the “creature” functions in nature?
Erasmus: Erasmus. The chimpanzee immune system is surprisingly similar to ours--most viruses that cause diseases like AIDS and hepatitis can infect chimpanzees too. But chimps don't get infected by the malaria parasite Plasmodium falciparum, which a mosquito can transmit through its bite into human blood. A small DNA difference makes human red blood cells vulnerable to this parasite, while chimp blood cells are resistant.