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Alien Technology 3



Kinkajou:Kinkajou. There is a definite difference between human and alien science. Often just by the description you can tell that the ideas and concepts that have been communicated have an origin in the mind of someone with a human background. For example, a witness in Italy described a bluish tongue of flame about 60 cm long coming from underneath a saucer taking off.

I would say that this is a human story. The likely basis of ETFO propulsion is electromagnetic flux distorting atomic valence shells and creating “gravity displacement”. It is exceptionally unlikely that any craft capable of traveling from other star systems or capable of using gravity displacement for propulsion, would be functioning as a chemical rocket – mixing oxygen and fuel to create blue flames, much as you would see on a stovetop.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Maybe the flying saucer was made of magnesium? Maybe that was where the flames were coming from.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Magnesium burns with an intense white flame, rapidly spreading and consuming all the available metal fuel. You would not see a blue flame.


Kinkajou:Kinkajou. If your craft can function with electro gravitic propulsion, why would you want to waste time, space, money and energy with a fueled rocket. They seem to have decided to not have active radar systems built in to their craft. And a radar system is basically just a box and a directional antenna, which could be easily built into the base of the craft. So why waste space on a rocket engine but not on a small radar system box?

Erasmus: Erasmus. One must wonder how many cases or incidents of ET contacts have never seen publication, owing to the seemingly ludicrous content.
Kinkajou:Kinkajou. However to be fair, there are numerous credible witnesses that have reported thoroughly incredible encounters. And that’s why you need to investigate claims.
Dr Xxxxx: Dr Xxxxx. On planet Earth, considering Paill Spectrum, you cannot believe everything that people tell you even if you believe these things intensely yourself. Paill Spectrum destroys and short-circuits people’s minds. Once you have a scrambled memory in your head, it is as real as any other memory – because that is how you remember it.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Another contactee-Bob Lazar has also provided some descriptions of the technology of the aliens.
"There is a hollow central column: that goes right up through the centre of the disc, that’s a waveguide. The gravity wave is channeled through there."

Erasmus: Erasmus. This has a ring of either misinterpretation or falsehood. There is no evidence that gravity can be guided like electromagnetic radiation or magnetism (i.e. photons). And magnetic energy is very penetrative. It is best guided by other magnetic fields rather than by matter as a waveguide.
If you are to give this evidence the benefit of the doubt, you would say that they waveguide is for electromagnetic photons or magnetic photons being directed to the reactor or being used in conjunction with the earth’s magnetic field for propulsion.
Kinkajou:Kinkajou. He also reports the presence of an antimatter reactor – with the field propulsion being generated by annihilation of matter. He also mentions that in each saucer, a black hole appears when the reactor is working and that gravity is amplified and focussed to produce an intense gravitational field by this black hole.


Erasmus: Erasmus. The Schwarzschild radius or the gravitational radius is a physical measurement that defines the radius of the event horizon of a  black hole. It is a characteristic radius associated with any quantity of mass.
The Schwarzschild radius is given as r= 2GM/c2

Where G is the gravitational constant, M is the object mass, and c is the speed of light. In natural units, the gravitational constant and the speed of light .

The Schwarzschild radius of an object is proportional to its mass. Accordingly, the Sun has a Schwarzschild radius of approximately 3.0 km (1.9 mi), whereas Earth's is only about 9 mm (0.35 in) and the Moon's is about 0.1 mm (0.0039 in).
Any object whose radius is smaller than its Schwarzschild radius is called a black hole. 

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Describing a black hole as existing inside a spaceship has the ring of misinterpretation or falsehood. Human science has not considered creating micro black holes, much less stabilising them.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Stephen Hawking derived some equations that showed the life expectancy / stability of a black hole is proportional to its mass.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Wikepedia: A black hole with the mass of a car would have a diameter of about 10−24 m and take a nanosecond to evaporate, during which time it would briefly have a luminosity of more than 200 times that of the Sun. Lower-mass black holes are expected to evaporate even faster; for example, a black hole of mass 1 TeV/c2 would take less than 10−88 seconds to evaporate completely. For such a small black hole, quantum gravity effects are expected to play an important role and could hypothetically make such a small black hole stable, although current developments in quantum gravity do not indicate this is the case.

Erasmus: Erasmus. We have a very good familiarity with the reactivity and interactions of antimatter. Antimatter annihilation is exponentially unstable, produces large amounts of radiation, some of which is very difficult to capture or convert to energy. It's use is best suited to weapons technology rather than energy generation technology.

However again, giving the contactee's report the benefit of the doubt it is possible that “dark photons” or “Rels” may exist and actually be the subject of this description – not antimatter as we know it. See our site on gravity enkgravity.com

Another explanation is that dark photons- if such a thing exists, could be used to create a repulsive field to contain the antimatter-matter reaction. Gravity containment could assist the control of such a reaction as well, if the gravity field were sufficiently intense.

Element 115 Element 115


Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Bob Lazar also describes the fuel element as the element 115 on the periodic chart. He says that there is an island of stability in the elements on the periodic chart between hundred and 113-115. “ On bombardment with protons it kicks up to element 116 and then releases antimatter which is reactive with matter in an annihilation reaction. It appears the aliens have an efficient thermocouple producing the power rather than the steam generation systems which we use in our reactors.” He reports that the craft does not use an antigravity field. He reports that it is a gravitational field that is out of phase with the current one. The phases vary from hundred 180° to 0° – in a longitudinal propagation.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Not consistent with much of our knowledge. However, we do believe that if gravity exists it may have a spin 2 as its property. Photons have spin 1. This means photons have a dipole (or up down) energy structure. Spin2 suggests a quadrupole energy structure, which could give quite complex effects or phases. So it is possible to vary the direction of the gravity action – perhaps in a complex manner. So maybe there is a grain of truth in this part of the explanation.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Next, the explanation of the action of the fuel element 115 does not seem to be consistent with our current knowledge of this element.
Bombarding of element 115 with protons to generate antimatter also suggest the possibility of a control system for the rate of generation of antimatter and the rate of annihilation. The bug in the ointment still remains that element 115 is very unstable and has a short half-life. Not what you would choose to go a long journey. Petrol or gasoline has a much much longer shelf life than element 115. Element 115 ( Moscovium) is not likely to last long enough to get off the ground much less travel anywhere. Moscovium is an extremely radioactive element: its most stable known isotope, moscovium-290, has a half-life of only 0.65 seconds.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. In short, his comments are hard to believe.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Bob Lazar reports that there is no linear travel through space. The ship actually bends space and time and it follows space as it retracts.

Erasmus: Erasmus. This is an explanation that has appeared in other abductee contactee interactions. There is no reason to believe that in using gravity drive, that a ship would leave our universe. However the explanation does have some consistency with our growing understanding of gravity. Gravity appears more likely to be a “displacement” rather than a particle or a force. So the explanation given above may have some truth to it to some extent.


Gravity would indeed bend space and time. But you would still travel through space. I suppose the keyword there is linear. Yes you may travel through space but your travel through it may be a linear curve rather than purely linear.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Another contactee Billy Meier recovered a fragment from an ETFO vehicle and had it analysed. It was composed of tightly bonded but discrete metals and non-metals. There was the presence of micro machine grooves joined by furrows in the metal.

Erasmus: Erasmus. This reminds me of what we proposed on the gravity site as a structure for a gravity generation engine. See enkgravity.com . A gravity engine would best be constructed by laminated metals – some metals chosen for their conductive capacity and other metals being chosen for their electronic valence structure. So perhaps there is some truth in this claim. Predictive science matching real examples.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Also of interest is the finding that the major element in the sample obtained by Billy Meier was Thulium.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Thulium is a lanthanide element. It is the least abundant of the rare earths. It slowly tarnishes in air, but is more resistant to oxidation than most rare-earth elements.

Atomic number: 69 Atomic Symbol: Tm
Atomic Weight: 168.93421 g.mol -1
Energy of first ionisation: 595.3 kJ.mol -1
Melting Point: 2,813 F (1,545 C)
Boiling Point: 3,542 F (1,950 C)
Thermal Conductivity:
0.169 W/cm/K @ 298.2 K
Electrical Resistivity:
79.0 µ?-cm @ 25°C


Kinkajou:Kinkajou. . What type of metal is thulium?
Erasmus: Erasmus. . Thulium is the second-least abundant of the lanthanides, after radioactively unstable promethium which is only found in trace quantities on Earth. It is an easily workable metal with a bright silvery-grey lustre.

Bottle of Thulium Thulium Ampoule

Bottle of Thulium ................................ Thulium Ampoule

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. . What makes thulium special?

Erasmus: Erasmus. . It has a bright silvery-grey lustre and can be cut by a knife. As a metal it is easy to work with . Thulium is a metallic element. It is a good thermal conductor and a good electrical conductor.

The pure metal and related chemical compounds have few commercial uses mainly due to Thulium being very rare and expensive and having few properties which cannot be easily obtained from other metals.

Thulium Dendritic Cube Thulium Thulium Rod

Thulium Dendritic .................. Cube Thulium ............... Thulium Rod

Thulium finds little application outside chemical research.
Thulium has been used to create lasers. Thulium lasers require less cooling and function very well at high temperatures and are used in satellites. When stable thulium (Tm-169) is bombarded in a nuclear reactor it can later serve as a radiation source in portable X-ray devices. Thulium-170 is gaining popularity as an X-ray source for cancer treatment via brachytherapy.

Thulium has been used in high-temperature superconductors similarly to Yttrium. Thulium potentially has use in ferrites, ceramic magnetic materials that are used in microwave equipment.

Thulium-doped calcium sulphate has been used in personal radiation dosimeters because it can register the presence of radiation by its fluorescence, especially low levels.

Approximately 50 tonnes of thulium oxide are produced annually.

Thulium in Acrylic  Cube Thulium in Acrylic Cube

The prices of rare earths such as thulium -change daily. They are primarily driven by supply, demand and energy prices. In 2019, prices of pure Thulium were at around 70000 $/kg. Sigma-Aldrich in the USA currently (August 2022), gives a price for a foil, size 25 mm × 25 mm × 1 mm, 99.9% trace rare earth metals of A$1,220.00 USD for the above metal strip.


novaelements.com gives a range of prices:

High purity 99,99% Thulium metal sample shiny dendritic piece of 1 gram in beautiful glass vial with colored label. Pure thulium metal sample for element collection
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High purity 99.99% Thulium metal sample shiny dendritic piece of 1 gram argon sealed ampoule and labelled glass vial. Pure thulium metal sample for element collection and display.
Dimensions of the ampoule: 40x12mm
29,99 €

High purity 99,99% Thulium metal element 69 sample shiny dendritic pieces, various weights. Pure thulium metal sample for element collection and laboratory. 
Packaging plastic bag.
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Amazing Thulium metal standard density cube 10x10x10mm, 99.99% pure mirror polished surface. The sample weighs 9.3 grams (with a tolerance of ± 0.1gram), which is the theoretical density of the Thulium metal itself.. Pure Thulium metal cube for element collection.
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High purity 99,95% Thulium metal element 69 sample shiny rod of 14.7 grams.
Dimensions: 10x20mm
Pure thulium metal rod for element collection
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High purity 99,99% Thulium metal element 69 sample shiny dendritic piece casted in acrylic cube.  Pure thulium metal sample for element display.
Sample weight: 1 gram
Dimensions: 50x50x50mm
Technologies: diamond cut for a self-standing pose, laser engraved and colored name and symbol.
42,58 €

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. . Is thulium flammable?
Erasmus: Erasmus. . It is Flammable in the form of dust or very thin foil when exposed to heat, spark or flame. It May react with water under fire conditions liberating flammable hydrogen gas. It May emit fumes of thulium oxide under fire conditions.




Goo: Goo the Numbat. Let’s get back to alien tech.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Levitation is reported by many abductees.

Erasmus: Erasmus. An interesting phenomenon. But if you can propel a spaceship, you can levitate a body or an object. So, to this extent, levitation phenomena are definitely possible.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. The problem comes in that many levitation phenomena are reported in circumstances where it would appear to be impossible to be using obvious technologies such as “gravity”. For example, Yes, you can use a gravity pencil / beam to lift a human body. But there are aspects of the witnessed levitation events that do not seem to fit this explanation.

Erasmus: Erasmus. I know. With holograms you can make things even more interesting. You can make it look as if you’re lifting an object without actually lifting anything at all. And if you project holograms you can make it look as if people suddenly disappear. If the alien intention is to obfuscate the alien’s true abilities and their science, a hologram can really make impossible things seem to be happening. If a levitated human body disappears, you could use the explanation to any witnesses/contactees that the abductee person was taken to another dimension or to the home planet.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. I see. Reality- you turned the hologram off.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Yes I’m more than a bit sceptical when witnesses report people being levitated through 12th story windows that are covered by metal grills. I think sometimes you need to assess stories on their merits.

The aliens seem to work at having a number of impossible feats attributed to them:
rendering themselves invisible,
projecting their image across vast distances,
walking through walls and



Goo: Goo the Numbat. Do the aliens inhabit a sub physical or metaphysical plane?

Again, you would have to say that the claims seem so extensive and impossible that you would wonder that the aliens have a deliberate strategy of projecting superiority as a method of minimising humanity’s potential for opposing their activities and goals.

And if they really are that superior, as superior as a human being is to an ant , just think of how the average human being treats the average ant. We walk out of our front doors treading on ants and their colonies without ever even noticing them on any one out of even a thousand days in our lives. They are so beneath our notice and so insignificant to us, that we would never even factor them into our plans or thoughts. We do what we want to do whenever we want to do it. (Well as least as far as ants are concerned).

Goo: Goo the Numbat.
The Aliens aim to Keep us fearful and hence keep us from being belligerent.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. A good method of passive control. I think they would fear conflict with us. Better to go about their purposes quietly or in secret. Their logistic capacity is much less than ours. Their industrial capacity can never be as extensive or as near as humanity’s capacities on planet Earth : right here.

Erasmus: Erasmus. In making people disappear, I cannot believe that it is possible to move a human body through space and time with the flip of a stitch over distances of perhaps up to light years. Yes quantum paired particles such as photons and electrons can interact over such distances instantaneously, but at this point in time and technology, we do not believe that macro-objects which are a collection of many many many larger particles / units of matter or atoms ,interact with space and time in the same fashion.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. In short, people really do not “disappear “or move between dimensions. We would expect that much of what we see really is just smoke and mirrors.



Goo: Goo the Numbat. Abductees do have memories of travel.

Erasmus: Erasmus. . If abductee’s retain memories of travel anywhere ( and if it is truthfully real), , the only way I can think this is possible is “astral traveling’, which is a human phenomenon. Aiding and abetting the psych state of contactees would help, but there is a lot of evidence that astral traveling may well be real. Some people think that it is possible for all people to engage this type of travel , but it needs a specific preparation. There is not a lot of wisdom or insight to be gained in astral traveling, for all the uniqueness of the experience.


Astral Travelling Astral Travelling

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Hang on! What about some much simpler explanations. For example the EBEs using drugs and simple video.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Well, using drugs to distort consciousness especially hallucinogenics coupled with for example 3-D video presentation could well give abductees the impression that they have traveled.

Dr Xxxxx: Dr Xxxxx. I would use a touch of a narcotic with an appropriate dose of a benzo -type drug or perhaps a phenothiazine (antipsychotic) family drug to block judgement and higher cognition. I think this would make it almost impossible for an abductee to discern the falsehood of an experience. Especially in this day and age of human technology. Many of us are familiar with the possibility of 3-D video experiences. If our full judgement and cognition were functioning, many of us could probably discern the difference between reality and video – no matter what the quality may be.

But drugs plus 3D video, may well trap our senses and perceptions into accepting falsehood as reality.



Goo: Goo the Numbat. Is there evidence of alien technology in ancient history?

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Absolutely!
In Exodus 3.2 “And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush; and he looked and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.”

Erasmus: Erasmus. The burning bush appears more likely to be a simple hologram than a true miracle.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. . The Old and New Testaments tell of those who fell to the ground when they encountered the strong presence of God.
* Genesis 17:3 records that Abram collapsed when God spoke to him.
* Joshua 5:14,15 tells us that Joshua collapsed when he experienced the presence of the Lord.
* Ezekiel 1:28 and 3:23 say that Ezekiel collapsed when the glory of the Lord appeared to him.
* Daniel 8:17 and 10:15 state that Daniel collapsed on the ground when he encountered the glory of God.
* Matthew 17:6 records that when God’s glory was manifested to Peter, James, and John, all three of these men collapsed to the ground.
* Acts 9:4 and 26:14 reveal that Paul collapsed to the earth when he saw Christ on the road to Damascus.

* Revelation 1:17 tells that the apostle John collapsed at the feet of Jesus at the beginning of his vision on the island of Patmos.

Let’s look at John’s experience on the island of Patmos.
Revelation 1:17 says, “And when I [John] saw him [Christ], I fell at his feet as dead…” The word “fell” is from the Greek word pipto, which means to fall from an upright position. It is used occasionally to describe those who fall in battle — which, of course, could mean a falling forward or backward or a crumpling to the ground. In John’s case, he fell at Jesus’ feet.
Revelation 1:17 says that John fell as one “dead.” The word “dead” is the Greek word nekros, which is the word for a corpse. In other words, in one split second, it seemed that all the life had gone out of him, and he crumpled forward  (pipto) at the feet of Jesus. As it is with many cases in which people experience God’s glory, John’s legs buckled under him and the strength was drained from his body as he fell in the presence of God.

Erasmus: Erasmus. . This suggests the use of electro- magnetic flux to deactivate muscles and nerves, in effect causing a “collapse”.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. . And if you believe that gravity can be generated, you have above the perfect descriptions of gravity used as a tool of influence/weapon. Perhaps it is possible that some of these collapses are due to the effects of gravity - probably used in addition to EMF induction fields.

Erasmus: Erasmus. . Yes it is possible but there are certain distinctive elements that make it more likely that gravity has been used to make people “collapse” than electromagnetic flux. The key issue is heat. When gravity is used to make people fall to the ground or stay on the ground, there are heating affects evident.

If used on an individual, that individual sweats. If used on inanimate objects, those objects become warm. See our gravity site for a description of the physical effects of gravity as immobilising agent or as a mechanism.

A quick summary:
The passage of the Israelites crossed the Red Sea includes a description of the warmth of the seabed over which the Israelites were traveling
The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah reports animals flying screening through the air as well as people instantly turned to pillars of salt –? perhaps Due to heating affects.

The prophet Mohammed was reported to have been immobilised at the feet of the Archangel Gabriel – to the extent that even a strong man would not have been able to rise from the ground. The description includes him sweating profusely.

Erasmus: Erasmus. These are obvious description of gravity technology being used on people. As I stated, there are ancillary features ( profuse sweating and heat) events in the witnessed events, that suggest gravity has been used to create the event.




Goo: Goo the Numbat. If UFOs are so advanced, why are they often reported as saucer-like or cigar shaped, and why in the heck would they need external lights of any kind?

UFO ETFO in Flight

UFO ETFO in Flight


Erasmus: Erasmus. . Good questions. The shape of a spacecraft doesn’t matter in space, as there are no aerodynamic considerations to take into account. You can create a spacecraft that’s shaped like a giant dish and have it travel flat-side forward if you like.

About the only disadvantage I can think of is that although aerodynamics isn’t a consideration in space, impact with dust particles might be. Just a grain of sand striking your space craft when it’s traveling at hundreds of thousands of km per hour could do a lot of damage. So from that perspective, you’d want to minimize the ship’s cross-section in the direction of travel.

Unfortunately this suggests that alien craft should be long and cylindrical, perhaps with a saucer-shaped disc at their front to shield the craft from micro-meteorite impacts.
But any alien civilization that’s got the technology to travel between stars quickly will likely have already solved the issue of shielding themselves from micro-impacts – perhaps by using gravity to displace particles from the path of the Spaceship. So, we’re back to the shape of the craft not mattering when traveling through space.

The alternate shielding theory is perhaps that of “dark photons” or “rels” creating a frictionless repulsive force on the surface on the surface of craft.

Gravity fields would also deflect atmosphere or water (in underwater travel). By pushing water or atmosphere out of the way, the need for aerodynamic friction reducing - design is bypassed.

I would think though that some aerodynamic shaping to improve particle deflection would still apply to fast moving space ships.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Remember that we are not seeing spaceships - mother ships on planet Earth. What we’re seeing is vehicles traveling within our atmosphere.

Erasmus: Erasmus. . Within Earth’s atmosphere, aerodynamics matter. However if the craft is capable of turning 90° in flight, it becomes obvious that it does not matter whether the “flying saucer” flies narrow end on all broad side on through the atmosphere. It is likely that there is gravity displacement or as we have otherwise described on this site, the presence of friction modifying mechanisms in the whole of the craft to displace the air away from the craft.

So it’s possible that if aliens can shield their craft from dust and debris, perhaps they can also shield their craft from the impact of the gases in our atmosphere. Based on the reports we’ve all seen where UFOs sometimes make 90 degree turns at incredibly high speeds, they almost certainly have technology to keep themselves from being compressed into jelly by such turns, so the idea that they can prevent their spacecraft from overheating while racing through our atmosphere at hypersonic speeds isn’t much of a stretch.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. So now we’ve arrived at the idea that the shape of their craft is not based on aerodynamic considerations. So then why are so many of their ships reported as saucer or cigar shaped?

Erasmus: Erasmus. I would guess that these shapes serve some other utilitarian purpose. Friends of mine at university were given the job of designing a drag race car and of maximising its performance. What they ended up discovering was that their mathematical calculations to achieve this, defined a car that looked exactly like we know drag racers look. In short the presence of a long body, large back tires and narrow front tires with a massive engine. Large back tires transfer all that horsepower from the engine to the road, the long body keeps the front end of the drag racer from lifting off the ground due to the action of the torque from the rear of the vehicle, and the narrow front tires reduce air resistance, rolling friction and provide some streamlining.

So perhaps the saucer and/or cigar shapes are advantageous due to the shape of their power plants, the storage of their fuel, the placement of the crew quarters, instrumentation layout, or perhaps something we can’t even understand yet.




Kinkajou:Kinkajou. What are your comments on the external lights.

Erasmus: Erasmus. There are several explanations.
Light reflected from the vehicles because they are higher in the atmosphere and can reflect light from the sun.
There may be excitation or heat effects on the hull of the vehicle arising from the energy produced by the gravity drive propulsion.

We’ve seen potentially genuine footage of UFO’s “blinking out” (being there one minute and then disappearing in the time of a single frame of video - 1/30th of a second). I would suggest that this effect could be related to:
Stealth technology
Travel - out of frame of reference - in a very short space of time, so that by the time the eye nerves / camera frame rate refreshes and become capable of detecting light again , the object is no longer there.
Holographic projection
Turning the external lights off. (Not as stupid as it sounds since the EBEs report the generation of luminescence inside their vehicles – to help them see). Our aeroplanes carry external lights for collision avoidance, so maybe the EBEs have found that external lights serve the same purpose – with birds, with human craft or with other EBE craft.

Intimidation: Telling us that they are there and making us realise how superior their science and technology is to ours.
Particularly interesting is that some witnesses report shining flashlights or laser lights on the UFO / ETFO vehicles at distance. Surprisingly sometimes the ETFOs flash of light back. The act is interpreted by many humans experiencing it, as relatively friendly, not hostile.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. It could well be human expectations surfacing. For all we know the aliens think they are giving us a warning signal, while we think we are getting a friendly wave.
Humans do like to see things from their own point of view.





UFO Designs

UFO Designs